Mar. 24th, 2010 04:29 pm
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Saved here for posterity. Via a conversation I am having on Facebook.

It started with J becoming a fan of 'I demand the repeal of Obamacare! Government run healthcare is bad for America'

I asked him "why are you against the HRC? What are you objecting to in the law?"


1) I don't feel the government has the right to tell me what to buy 2) I honestly think the entire government is incompetent and incapable of making the best decisions for Americans 3) It takes away the ability and motivation for self relience 4) We don't have the funds to pay for it 5) The economy and paying down the deficit is more of a priority... See more, in my opinion, than healthcare.
I believe in healthcare, but I think there were better options for reform. I personally don't have insurance yet, and will get some, but only because I feel I need it, not because big brother is twisting my arm with a fine if I don't.


There is a lot to respond to here, so I apologize in advance for the length of this comment.

1) I am assuming this is talking about the individual mandate. The individual mandate (the law that requires virtually all Americans to have health insurance by 2014) was first proposed by John McCain, a Republican, during Clinton's push for health reform in the 90's. Although he did not support it in the campaign against Obama, many other Republicans did. My point in this is to point out that unless you see John McCain and the Republican party as promoting 'socialism', which is a topic I will cover later, this part of the bill is hardly socialized medicine.

I have to admit, I do not agree with the individual mandate either. I understand why it is in the bill and the reasoning behind it (it made the insurance companies more receptive to the reform bill and healthy - often young - people need to buy into the health insurance system to support those who are not so healthy), but I think that without a public health insurance plan I can buy into, it may be hard to find affordable insurance. However, it is necessary for getting the bill passed.

2) I don't understand how this plays into the debate at all. Your mistrust of the government is valid in your own life. However, the bill is not going to change much for you. You will be required to carry health insurance by 2014. Otherwise, you can choose whatever healthcare plan you would like. As can your employer. If you get sick, you can be assured that your insurance company cannot just drop you and refuse to pay for your treatment. If you are ill before you enter into a health insurance plan, you can be assured that you can find and receive coverage. The decisions are yours, the government does not make them for you.

3) How? I really don't understand this at all.

4) The bill pays for itself. Although costing money in the short term, the bill will decrease the deficit by and estimated $1.3 trillion over the next twenty years. Just like any new endeavor, we have to pay a bit up front; however, the savings over time will be monumental.

5) If we did not pass some type of health care reform, health care would be 20% of our GDP by 2015. Currently it is 16%. According to the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development), the average spent of healthcare in the nations they studied is 8.9%. Addressing healthcare is addressing the economy (people will have more money to spend if they do not need to go bankrupt paying their medical bills) and the deficit, In addition, it is the right thing to do. The pros of this legislation are hard to deny: covering more people, no pre-existing conditions, (hopefully) bringing down the cost of premiums, and many others.

Is the bill perfect? No. Not at all. Am I happy with it? Well, I am happy that something got passed. Is is a socialist take-over of medicine? Not even close.

If you need proof, check out the left. Most liberals are disappointed in this bill. Personally, I wanted a single payer system. I want abortion coverage - writing two checks is stupid and still restricts abortion coverage to the wealthy. But it is not socialized medicine.

And what exactly is so wrong with socialized medicine anyway? For one, the concept is extremely vague and has no basis in fact - it was created by an ad company decades ago as a scare tactic. Secondly, Medicare (generally seen as a good program that provides health insurance to the elderly) is a government run program. All of the senators and congressmen that fought for and against this bill? They are on a government run health insurance. Ditto with the military. Thirdly, we live in a socialist country - a country where power is shared between the public sphere (aka govt.) and private.

Okay, this got incredibly long. Sorry about that again.

On an entirely separate note. I signed up to participate in the
at [ profile] het_reccers for John/Aeryn. Anyone got any recs they really enjoy?
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